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Mustering the army of Oxford

Post by Chilledenuff » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:19 pm

I doe truely and sincercly acknowledge, professe, testifie and declare in my conscience before God and the world, That our Soveraigne Lord King CHARLES, is lawfull King of this Realme, and of all other His Majesties Dominions and Countreyes


This is where I shall post musings on my army.. based heavily on the Order of Battle for the first battle of Newbury. i know Poi is also using this OOB but with such a large Royalist army I don't think it will affect either of us much. I shall edit this list with relevant coat colours and standards (if I can find them!) I'll put such details in brackets next to the regiment in question laid out in coat colour then Regimental Colours, eg: The King's Lifeguard (Red, Colours: Red)

the Order of Battle (for the goodly followers of His Majesty) was as follows:

The Royalist Army

Commander-in-chief: King Charles the First
Lieutenant-General: Patrick Ruthven, Earl of Forth
General of the Horse: Prince Rupert of the Rhine
Sergeant-Major-General of Foot: Sir Jacob Astley
Master of the Ordnance: Henry, Lord Percy (nominal)
Lieutenant of the Ordnance: Sir John Heydon

Under the command of the fine gentlemen listed above were 6000 Infantry, 8000 cavalry (this is why I have so many Paul!) and the following artillery pieces:
two demi-cannons, two culverins, two 12-pounders, five 6-pounders, one saker, two mynions, four 3-pounders, two bases.

Foote:

John Belasyse's Tertia
Lord General's (Earl of Forth's) regiment (Red,Colours: ?)
Colonel John Belasyse's regiment (?,Colours:?)
Earl Rivers' regiment (Black with whitee facings,Colours: ?)
Sir Jacob Astley's regiment (Red,Colours:Blue Field, White Cinquefoil devices)
Colonel John Bolles' regiment (?,Colours:?)
Colonel Henry Lunsford's regiment (Blue,Colours: ?) NB: These became Rupert’s foote


Sir Gilbert Gerard's Tertia
Sir Gilbert Gerard's regiment (Blue,Colours: ?)
Sir Richard Herbert's regiment (?,Colours:?)
Lord Molyneux's regiment (Red,Colours: Blue Field, Gold Cross devices(SK)
Sir Ralph Dutton's regiment (White,Colours: ?)
Colonel John Owen's regiment (red,Colours:Red and white Gyonnery)
Sir Edward Fitton's regiment (?,Colours:Blue Field, White Wavy Pile devices)
Sir Charles Lloyd's regiment (Red,Colours:?)
Sir Edward Stradling's regiment (?,Colours:Blue Field, White Cinquefoils)


Sir Nicholas Byron's Tertia (incomplete list)
The King's Lifeguard (Red,Colours: Red)
Prince of Wales' regiment (blue,Colours: ?)
Colonel Charles Gerard's regiment (blue,Colours: Blue & Yellow Gyonnery + Gold wreath devices)
Sir Lewis Dyve's regiment (Blue Coats; Colours: Yellow Field, Red ball devices)
Colonel Thomas Blagge's regiment (?,Colours:?)
Colonel William Eure's regiment (blue?,Colours: ?)

Sir WIlliam Vavsour's Tertia (incomplete list)
Lord Herbert's regiment (?,Colours:?)
Sir William Vavasour's regiment (yellow,Colours: ?)
Sir Samuel Sandys' regiment (?,Colours:?)


Cavalry

There is no record of which cavalry regiment served in each of the two brigades at first Newbury although Sir John Byron's and Sir Thomas Aston's regiments fought in the centre. The majority of the cavalry was under Prince Rupert on the left flank. Regiments known to have fought at Newbury are:

The King's Lifeguard (two troops) (Red,Colours: Red)
Prince Rupert's Lifeguard (one troop) (red,Colours:spangly)
Prince Rupert's regiment of horse (blue,Colours: spangly)
The Queen's regiment (Red, Colours:Blue with Gold Fleur-de-Lys & Crown)
Prince Maurice's regiment (red,Colours: ?)
The Earl of Carnarvon's (Lucas Cary) regiment (Carnarvon killed) (?,Colours:?)
Lord Wilmot's regiment (?,Colours:?)
Sir Charles Lucas's regiment (?,Colours:?)
Lord Andover's regiment (?,Colours:?)
Sir Arthur Aston's regiment (red with red facings,Colours: ?)
Colonel Samuel Sandys' regiment (?,Colours:?)
Colonel William Eure's regiment (?,Colours:?)
Colonel Thomas Morgan's regiment (Morgan killed) (?,Colours:?)
Lord Chandos' regiment (?,Colours:?)
Earl of Northampton's (Spencer Compton) regiment (?,Colours:?)
Lord Digby's regiment (?,Colours:?)
Sir John Byron's regiment (Blue,Colours: ?)
Sir Thomas Aston's regiment (?,Colours:?)

Now, I know I'll never collect or paint that lot! But this is a good place for me to list them all and add colours (because I can access this from work and home) as I find them. I can then pick and choose relatively historically accurate schemes for my toys (you see my cunning plan there?)
I shall also post relevant pictures, quotes and the like as well to a, inspire me and b, stryke feare intoe the hartes of the rebeles! :D (I love 17th century spelling! it's so random)

So a quote to start:

His Highness, Charles the First wrote:Your king is both your cause, your quarrel and your captain. The foe is in sight. The best encouragement I can give you is this, that come life or death, your king will bear you company and ever keep this field, this place and this days service in his grateful remembrances


[edit: using this link i've updated the regiments coat/colours but I think there are more details out there. Also updated by people on the warlord forum]
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Re: Mustering the army of Oxford

Post by poi » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:16 pm

Once I've read the first Newbury book sat on my shelf, I'll see if I can't add some detail too.
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Re: Mustering the army of Oxford

Post by Chilledenuff » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:57 pm

Lets compare our illustrious leader with a prominent rebel:

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He was, as a king, beset from the very beginning by disloyal opposition from religious bigots. He was constantly accused, entirely contrary to the truth, of attempting to return England to Roman Catholicism. The only truth of the matter is that Charles did not share the anti-Catholic bigotry of his enemies. Indeed, while Charles sought to establish a common religious practice throughout his three kingdoms, he was very tolerant of a wide variety of religious belief, so long as it did not disrupt the peace of the country.

King Charles I was, in his private life, a man of of many virtues, and his faults, as Hume says, hardly deserved to be called so, so mild were they. He was a faithful father and husband, loyal to his friends, and forgiving of his enemies. He was, I believe, indeed the Martyr of his People, and will be remembered at least by a few as a hero so long as he is remembered at all.



Now on to a hero (ha!) of the Rebels

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Cromwell had murdered a king, a crime which had more than a death penalty, and had control over England. Then he was offered the crown, and the best he could do is take it... but he didn't! How disrespectable! A relic that thousands and thousands and thousands of people had fought for, scarified their lives for, and Cromwell threw it away like it was a piece of trash

And how did he treat the Levellers? A band of innocent people who had some ideas about the government, like every man should be allowed to vote, yet when they first came to say their ideas to Cromwell, they were cast aside. After king Charles was killed, they started to show their ideas to Cromwell again, but he didn't listen. Cromwell heard rumours that the levellers were going to rebel. Because of those rumours, Cromwell shot their leaders. What kind of a hero is that?

Then he went to Ireland... Cromwell had with him 12000 well-trained soldiers and he headed to a place called Drogheda. Drogheda had only 2500 soldiers and 4000 civilians, they didn't stand a chance. Cromwell's armies killed 2000 of Drogheda's protectors and 1000 Catholic civilians. He lost less than 100 men! What for? What did Cromwell get out of his actions? What is the point of massacring thousands of people for nothing? He didn't even consult any of the Irish people to come to agreements about the past! He charged in, killed thousands, and left with nothing, and is therefore a bloodthirsty villain.

While Cromwell was lord protector, he banned Christmas. How dare he. It's no better than banning Ramadan or Divali! And so what if it's not in the bible, people loved it. Is that what type of person he is? A man who crushes happiness?
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Re: Mustering the army of Oxford

Post by Chilledenuff » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:32 pm

First pike block painted (awful pic warning!):

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Not based yet, and the standard isn't glued (will be Gerard's regiment of Foote). I decided to base thum thus:

p p s p
p p p p
e d p p
p o p p

where p=pikeman, s=sergeant, e=ensign, d=drummer and o= officer. The front rank contains the officer. I'm hoping basing them will really make them pop. I'm relatively happy with them as they are, although i might give the flesh another ink wash.
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Re: Mustering the army of Oxford

Post by Chilledenuff » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:25 am

Finished... still unsure about command position though:


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Re: Mustering the army of Oxford

Post by poi » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:31 pm

Check this out for formation:
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C - captain or commander
D - drummer
E - ensign
L - lieutenant
M - musketeer
P - pikeman
S - sergeant
Front of the unit at the top.
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Re: Mustering the army of Oxford

Post by Chilledenuff » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:49 pm

Hmm... The restof my bods may well be based upon that diagram (based on!) So I have

Seperate round base of Captain & Ensign (20-25mm)

s m m m m m d p p p m m m m m s
m m m m m m p p p p m m m m m m
- - - - - - - - - - p p p p - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - -p p p s - - - - - - -- - - -

Rest of unit spread on 40mm bases (as in the first pike block done). I'll need 2 more command sprues (I think!) to be able to do that. Good diagram Poi. Where from?
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Re: Mustering the army of Oxford

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Re: Mustering the army of Oxford

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Re: Mustering the army of Oxford

Post by Pauly J - Grimnor » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:34 pm

Chilledenuff wrote:Hmm... The restof my bods may well be based upon that diagram (based on!) So I have Seperate round base of Captain & Ensign (20-25mm)


Ok so far in Pike and shotte, 3 regiments make a battalion, and each battalion has its own stand alone general. so may make having separate command a bit tricky with each regiment. But you will see it tomorrow and it will make more sense.

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