Wargaming the English Civil War in 28mm

[Chilledenuff]

and in response to a question about basing by me:

Hi Les


No problem at all

The basing is on the same principle as Black Powder. The only exception is that you will want your pike blocks to be able to be ranked up least 3 ranks deep.

All the Best

So I'd definitely expect pike units to be 12-16 models in size.

[Spurious]

I wonder what's in the mechanics that makes the extra depth on pike formations a thing, though apparently not deep formations of shot?
Though I would not be surprised for there to be a thing for differentiation between differing tercio types for armies.

[Chilledenuff]

yoinked from Warlord...

I emailed Steve a while back and got this:

This was the answer to my questions:


Hi Grant

The basic command formation is a 'battalia', each battalia is made up of
elements (or units if you prefer). The smallest viable infantry battalia is
one that represents a regiment of 1 pike block with 2 musket wings.
Each element has its own stat line, and there are rules for how they
interact, how close they have to be etc.
A battalia may well contain multiple pike and musket elements (12 seems to
be the maximum feasible number) to represent tercios, Dutch brigade
formations etc.

A pike element needs to have a minimum of 12 figures (including the command)
to be a standard sized unit. Pike need to be a minimum of 3 ranks deep to
gain all benefits (we have found that 16 seems to be the most common size
for a pike block).
Musket elements should be a minimum of 8 strong, in 2 ranks.

Standard ratio is 1 pike element to 2 musket.

We have a campaign system written, we just need to make sure there is room
in the book or whether it is something we put online.

Hope that helps

All the Best

Steve

[Pauly J - Grimnor]

I hope the campaign system will be online line as its not much time left till the release date. Looks good though.

[Chilledenuff]

On the warlord forum there is a link to a podcast interview with Steve re the p&s rules. I'd link but I'm using my phone

[Spurious]

On the warlord forum there is a link to a podcast interview with Steve re the p&s rules. I'd link but I'm using my phone

http://historicalwargames.org/2012/04/0 ... -five.aspx I think this was it, had a listen whilst getting some painting done. Not all that much about P&S but rather more about Warlord as a company and what is going on, which was interesting as well.

On a different note, I've taken advantage of the Ainsty sale to improve the supply situation for my force, and now they have plenty of sacks and barrels of supplies to keep them stocked on the essentials of powder, shot and what might generously be called food. They can get their own booze though.

[poi]

I'm about a third of the way through Field of Glory. Damn but it's a hard read. Enough tables to keep Les quivering for weeks. TLAs all over. Turgid. It needs to get much better. At the moment Poi is hoping Pike and Shotte is better. If not, I'll be voting we stick with Warhammer ECW.

[Chilledenuff]

Well, just read Black Powder from cover to cover. Love the rules set (think warmaster but with some tweaks). also the way the book is written. It's clear that the author(s) are passionate about playing rather than rules lawyering (YAY!) Probably the simplest of the 3 as well (assuming P&S is similar).
Movement and mechanisms are simple. The only possible concern are blunder tables. Then, only a concern if winning is the be all and end all for you. If it isn't the be all and end all then it adds a real flavour of the general looking across at the subaltern and thinking 'what the bejebus are you doing?' Fog of war eh?

As I said in a previous post, I'm keen to play a different ruleset to WHECW, just because I won't be playing 2 versions of WH then.

...as a footnote, the BP rules do make me want to play some huge historical games! Damn inspirational rulebooks!

[Chilledenuff]

At Salute this year:

Warlord Games (www.warlordgames.co.uk) - GH23
Pike & Shotte (ECW, 28mm, Participation)
Large Participation English Civil War game within the Warlord Games Trade Area.

I may well sit down and partake in this as it'll give me a feel for the rules as well. I'll take pictures too as it'll inspire us all to paint toys!

[Chilledenuff]

I can't imagine P&S is that different to BP as the stat lines are the same (lifted from the Dragoons boxset paperwork):

Unit____, Type_, Arnament, Hand to Hand, Shooting, Morale, Stamina, Command, Special
Dragoons, Horse, Firelocks_,______3____,___2____,___5+__,___3___,____7____, Dragoons, Fire & Flee